According to CoinMeta, renowned AI security expert Roman discussed in a conversation with me the real threats that the arrival of AGI poses to humanity, as well as the potential number of jobs that could be lost as a result. He expressed an optimistic attitude towards Bitcoin and talked about the future development of physical AI and robotics technology. In addition, he also analyzed whether cutting-edge model laboratories truly pay attention to the security issues related to AI. The content of this conversation is profound and worth everyone's attention.